Anemic Goats

15 Apr

It never ceases to amaze me how many people find my blog by searching for information on goat health.  That keeps me posting more on goat health.  From the time I brought my five Saanen girls home, I swore they were trying to teach me more about goat health than I ever wanted to know.  Sometimes, I’ve learned at the goat’s expense, so I would love to be able to help other people and goats without the trial and error I went through.

This spring we have had a plethora of triplets.  Three of my girls had three babies!  It’s not necessarily a good thing.  Carrying and providing for the babies before they are born takes a toll on the mom.  In Stormy’s case, the babies were not positioned properly, and she was losing weight and getting run down before they ever arrived.  Once here, it’s difficult for them to keep up with three babies.

Pebbles and her triplets

As the babies get bigger, they want to eat more and mom’s can’t give more, so they lay down a lot.  This keeps the kids from eating, but every time they stand, their babies try to nurse.  It’s a vicious cycle.  This is why we’ve been supplementing bottles for the kids.  It’s less the moms have to provide.

I knew my triplet moms were run down.  Kizzy only has two, but she gives everything to her babies.  Her twins are huge and healthy, and Kizzy keeps losing weight.

Kizzy and her twins

Meg only has two, but she is seven and a half years old and has allergies.  Then there’s Pam.  She only has two babies and she was not thin.  Suddenly, she developed a swelling in her lower jaw.  To feel it, it was squishy and fluid feeling.  It was not firm.  This is called bottle jaw.

goat with bottle jaw

I talked to my vet because I’d heard that bottle jaw was caused by parasites.  I was surprised Pam would have parasites because she’s on the herbal wormer and it’s always been very effective.  But I wormed her, and then I started to do some more reading.

bottle jaw

Bottle jaw is NOT caused by parasites.  Bottle jaw is edema (swelling) caused by  severe anemia.  Parasites are the leading cause of anemia in goats, but it’s not the only cause.  Do a fecal check to see if your goat has parasites.  Pregnancy and nursing kids can also cause anemia.

Besides being thin, you can check your goat’s eyes to see if they are anemic.  A normal goat will have color in that membrane in the corner of their eye–pink or brown.  If the goat is anemic, it will be white (click to enlarge pictures).

healthy eye

anemic eye

The same is true of the goat’s gums.  Pale or white indicates anemia.  Pink or red is healthy (Sorry for blurry pictures; for some reason they didn’t want to model).

healthy gums

anemic gums

In light colored goats, their private parts will follow the same pattern.  Pink is healthy and white is anemic.

healthy goat

anemic goat

It’s still not a bad idea to worm a goat who is run down because they will be more susceptible to parasites when they are anemic.  Because they are run down, they are also more susceptible to other illnesses.  Stormy developed a fever and quit eating.  The vet came out and she ended up getting antibiotics and banamine for the illness.  She also got vitamin B to help stimulate her appetite.

Stormy and two of her kids

Along with treating for parasites or illness, you also need to make sure they have access to a lot of high quality food.  I put all my run down girls into one area, and I’ve given them enough hay to feed twice as many goats.  This way they can always have something to eat.  The kids will also start eating.

Stormy and three kids (not hers)

Where I have the girls now, they also can go out to pasture.  There’s something about being on pasture that just really helps promote good health.  Again, the kids like to nibble on grass and this helps them get ready to be weaned.

I’ve slowly increased the amount of grain that they are getting also.  It has to be a gradual increase in grain because goats can get sick or die if they eat too much grain.  Just keep adding a small bit more every couple of days.

Kizzy and kids eating grain

Now, my run down girls and their kids are eating twice as much as the other goats.  Also, make sure they have plenty of fresh water.  I’ve also added a goat lick tub to supplement their diet with proper minerals and salt.  Probiotics are always good to give whenever a goat is sick or stressed.

Pam with twins, Tayet and Scout

I will keep feeding this girls hard, and I will keep giving the kids bottles.  As soon as the kids are doing a good job of eating hay or grass and grain and I can safely wean them, the kids will be separated from their moms.  They just can’t keep up with their babies.

45 Responses to “Anemic Goats”

  1. naturegirl April 15, 2011 at 9:04 pm #

    First time here and I just LOve your blog and all the goats and pics and babies and info! I have always wanted to have a goat..but it will never happen so I will stop by here and enjoy looking at and getting to know your goats! You made me smile today with all these pics of babies! Thank You!

    • Teresa April 15, 2011 at 9:07 pm #

      I am so glad you enjoyed your visit!

  2. texwisgirl April 15, 2011 at 9:20 pm #

    I know your vet bills must run high, but you’re really good about calling in help when you see something abnormal that doesn’t ‘fix itself’ within a day. THAT’S what people need to remember about having animals (of any kind). Just food, cat litter and a once a year vaccine visit to the vet is never going to be all you spend for a cat. There’s ALWAYS something that’ll be needed for medical care or whatever. Same for farm animals – they’re just not as easy to tote to the vet and often require farm calls. Folks really need to consider that when they adopt a pet or get pasture animals because they require food, love, work AND vet visits as well as meds and supplements. Great job, Teresa. You always make it plain and clear what’s involved with caring for your animals. :) And, yes, I also know it’s all worth it. :)

    • Teresa April 15, 2011 at 9:29 pm #

      My vet bills used to be really high. The more the girls teach me, the less I need to call them. I don’t know how to listen for pneumonia or if they need antibiotics sometimes. I do get more self-sufficient all the time. My vets are really good also about just talking on the phone and advising me. Yep, it’s worth it!

  3. Sharon April 15, 2011 at 10:06 pm #

    You teach me a lot about goats, although I will more than likely never use the information, myself, it doesn’t hurt to learn about everything you can! I’m hoping you new Moms gain their strength and feel great asap. How old are the kids when you wean them? I will try to get back here if I can to find out.:-)

    • Teresa April 15, 2011 at 10:14 pm #

      My preferred weaning time is around three months. Pebbles let her girls nurse until they were over four months last year (kind of big). Bare minimum is two months if they are doing a good job of eating roughage and grain.

  4. Pat April 15, 2011 at 10:08 pm #

    Hi!
    You visited my blog. Thank you. I’ve come to see yours. Wow! I’m not into goats… I’m lucky I’ve talked Honey into chickens. Goats… would be harder. Not to mention… I’m new to all this or rusty to some of it. Goats sound like a much bigger adventure… I’ll be reading more I’m sure.

    I’ll be baaaaaa-aaaack! he hehe…
    Nice to meet you, Pat

    • Teresa April 15, 2011 at 10:14 pm #

      So glad you stopped. I was certainly a town girl until I moved out her 12 1/2 years ago. I too started with birds, and it’s kind of snowballed since then. Goats-you either love them or hate them!

  5. Mary Ann April 15, 2011 at 10:44 pm #

    Another excellent Eden Hills post! I am learning so much about goats from you. It’s too bad you had to rehome the donkeys, but I would have done it too. We once let a friend put a mare and foal here, and the mare constantly attacked our llamas; after two weeks we called it QUITS!

    • Teresa April 15, 2011 at 10:48 pm #

      I felt so bad to have to have them leave, but there was not way they were going to fit in with everyone. Sometimes you just have to admit it isn’t going to work. so glad you stopped by.

  6. liesl April 16, 2011 at 12:04 am #

    Very,very informative post Teresa,your ladies are in the best of hands!

    • Teresa April 16, 2011 at 7:21 am #

      I try. I must say, sometimes they have paid the price for my education.

  7. Sandy April 16, 2011 at 6:50 am #

    Well you certainly have had a time of it. Hope you can get everyone back on their feet, um hooves quickly! It surely adds to ones work load when some of the crew is sick.

    • Teresa April 16, 2011 at 7:22 am #

      I think they are all doing better. Litha is feeding both of her kids that are here. Pebbles and Meg are doing well. Pam no longer has the swelling in her jaw. Stormy’s fever is gone. Overall, they are slowly improving.

      • Keevy Hight June 28, 2016 at 8:52 pm #

        How did you get them well? My Hubby and I are starting out with our goat farm with 14 goats and they have anemia (white eye lids). We are currently giving them cydectin and we are unsure of how much and how often. We are doing a lot of trial and error and getting frustrated in the process. I’ve been doing research and see different answers. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
        Thank you for your blog, I’ve learned a lot already.

      • Teresa June 28, 2016 at 9:18 pm #

        I highly recommend reading my three part series on parasites. Part I, Part II, and Part III. Hopefully, they answer a lot of your questions. I will say, lots of good green browse that is brought to them is one of the best ways to help them recover. My goats love really big nettles, and they are good multi-vitamins for them.

  8. Nancy April 16, 2011 at 7:34 am #

    That sounds like alot of extra work for you, Teresa. I can tell you love your goats very much. This information is very interesting and I’m sure will help others cope with similar problems. :)

    • Teresa April 16, 2011 at 8:00 am #

      My goats really are family. I do hope it can help others. People tend to get goats because they are cute and don’t realize the wealth of health issues they can have. Does that sound like I’m talking from experience?

  9. Chai Chai April 16, 2011 at 9:38 am #

    Thank you for this wonderfully informative post. I really enjoyed the comparison pictures, very demonstrative. Reading posts like this really help newbee’s like myself.

    That picture of Pebbles with her triplets is gorgeous.

    • Teresa April 16, 2011 at 10:57 am #

      It’s always so sweet to see moms and babies sleeping together–even when the babies are a year old and about to become moms themselves. That family bond is one of the things I really like about goats. Glad you found the post useful.

  10. Kim Hollar April 16, 2011 at 10:41 am #

    You know I have been thinking about getting goats. After reading your post I don’t know If I would want too. I had no idea that there was so much to pay attention to and take care of. I never knew they could get anemia. You do have very nice goats though. Thanks for stopping by, I really like your farm and I have always loved that poem by Robert Frost. Before we built our house, we built fences. I am glad that we did that first, even though the neighbors threw fits about it.
    It just gives a good piece of mind.
    I will be stopping by for a visit on your farm, it is lovely.

    • Teresa April 16, 2011 at 10:59 am #

      I would hate to think you didn’t get goats because of me. They really are wonderful. I think it’s just important to know about the regular maintenance and the added issues pregnancy can involve.

  11. Prairie Farmstead Ponderings April 16, 2011 at 3:43 pm #

    Oh, Teresa! Your goat fur babies (all of them) are just gorgeous! The kids are too stinkin’ cute, too! It is quite apparent the great care you give to your babies, and I applaud you for that.

    I think I would have cried when the little guy got his clips on his eyes. I sure do hope they fix the problem with his lids, bless his little heart.

    Love your blog, too!

    • Teresa April 16, 2011 at 6:09 pm #

      The clips will take care of it. Of all things that can be wrong with a goat, that is one of the easiest to fix. So glad you enjoyed your visit. I admit, I do love my goats!

  12. Joani April 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    Loved the post. I don’t know how you are able to keep up with all the names of these mothers and there babies and who belongs to whom. Great job.

    • Teresa April 16, 2011 at 6:10 pm #

      I used to have a hard time keeping track of kids when all we had were solid white. With all the colors, it’s a lot easier to tell them apart! There’s still a few I have to look at twice to tell who it is.

  13. Sherry from Russ-Stick Acres April 17, 2011 at 9:07 am #

    Teresa ~ Wonderful, informative post. We have raised several breeds of goats through the years, including Saanen. Your goats are gorgeous! Another good resource, as you probably know, is Fiasco Farms – I was so thrilled with the information I found when we had an issue with a new little Boer buck, that I donated ~ she saved me the emergency vet call from an hour away. http://www.fiascofarm.com/goats/index.htm Thank you also for visiting our Blog, and the nice comment you left about my dog, Zip. I can’t wait to see the growth of your little ones.

    • Teresa April 17, 2011 at 9:09 am #

      I visited Fias Co. Farms quite a bit. I also like a couple of the state extension web sites for goat information. Glad you stopped by.

  14. Lorie April 17, 2011 at 5:23 pm #

    So much to learn! You take such great care of your animals! What adorable kids! Our lambs will be lambing any time…I just love the little ones!

    • Teresa April 17, 2011 at 7:31 pm #

      Good luck with the arrival of your lambs! Thanks for stopping by.

  15. Mimi Foxmorton April 20, 2011 at 9:54 am #

    You have no idea how I value your health blogs.
    There is no substitute for experience and I love that you share yours.

    A friend had a problem like this and after a zillion ‘fixes’ it all boiled down to a copper deficiency. It was as simple and as elusive as that.

    Right now I’m trying to find the best mix for Darla. Her coat isn’t as shiny as I’d like. She’s been wormed twice (the feed kind) since returning to the barn but Farmer says everytime we kill one worm two more ‘resistant’ worms take their place it seems. I’m hoping it’s ‘winter coat’ but I’m keeping an eye.

    SHe has her Berry-Berry mineral bar ready to go but not until she agrees to water from a pail. She’s a stubborn bugger.

    • Teresa April 20, 2011 at 11:12 am #

      Those resistant worms are why I use the herbal wormer. It’s done wonders for mine. If you are just doing Darla, you could turn it into a molassas treat.

  16. sugumar December 21, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    My buck is not eating well and losing weight. I am totally new to goats. The Doe is eating well and keeping well. Today I will check whether he is anemic or not. Can I give him wormer without showing him to a vet?

    • Teresa December 21, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

      You can, but unless you know what kind of worm you’re dealing with, it might not do any good. There are different meds for different worms. Not eating sounds like coccidiosis, but once they are run down, they often pick up both types and need a couple kinds of wormer. They can also end up with a secondary infection, and it’s not easy to tell if they have a temperature or not if they do have worms. It would be best to take a fecal sample to the vet. I always would recommend probiotics.

  17. Laurie Grant November 12, 2014 at 8:36 pm #

    Teresa, You are a virtual wealth of information! I have been on your page for hours. I can’t get enough of your knowledge. There are many happy happy goats out there, due to your fantastic web site.
    Have you heard of “sea kelp” and/or “Azomite”.?? I have done some extensive investigating on the Web. It really looks like an AWSOME supplement. From what I understand, you just need to be precise with dosage. Let me know what you think. Keep up your amazing work. PLEASE>
    endless thanks

    Laurie

    • Teresa November 12, 2014 at 9:29 pm #

      Glad you’ve enjoyed the site. I haven’t heard of that supplement. I tend to be very cautious about supplements because many have not been researched on goats.

  18. FamilyGoat June 9, 2015 at 8:20 pm #

    Thank you SO much for this post. So many sites say “Look at the upper eyelid. If it’s white, your goat is anemic. Well, they didn’t specifically say check the membrane! I was looking at the entire white cover under their upper eyelid and freaking out! Turns out that my girls have healthy pink gums, vibrant pink lower eyelids, and a beautiful pink membrane on their upper lid! YAY!❤ you so much for this.

    • Teresa June 9, 2015 at 9:23 pm #

      It does take some time to get it figured out. And this is just one indication of health. The only true way to know is through a blood test.

  19. Emma January 1, 2016 at 7:43 pm #

    Hi I have had two sick goats I bought them from an action they where both very thin I wormed them straight away and gave the Ion supp they both had very white gums sadly one died but the second goat she has improved and her gums and eyes now have become pinker she is eating fresh hay every day and i have been giving her yucult supplements and she is brighter i am letting her out everyday for an hour to pick around the house but she is still very thin can i feed her grain or any supplements to help she has become so friendly . I will get her friend but i was scared she would not make it , I have had her now for about a month the first goat died in a few days I was heart broken , I just want this goat to put some weight on .
    Please can you help I am in Sydney Australia East Kurrajong.

    • Teresa January 1, 2016 at 7:56 pm #

      Be sure to re-worm. The chemical wormer only kills at one stage of the life cycle, so they oftentimes come back. You can slowly add some grain to her diet, but green grass is the best. Nettles are a wonderful nutritious weed around my part of the world. Good luck.

  20. Loucrecia February 17, 2016 at 4:57 pm #

    We have a goat with a six week old. It seems like it’s common for our nannies to have a dirty but right after kidding, but it usually goes away. We do try to treat for worms on a schedule too. Well, this one all of a sudden looked thin & had a swollen lower jaw. The swollen jaw came on the day after we treated her for worms. Even though she was still nursing I wanted to worm her because of her weight loss & her kid has had a dirty but too. Since I don’t think I can treat till 10 days after 1st worm treatment, I went & bought a mineral tub, which she has been loving. I’ve tried to keep an eye on her. It doesn’t seem like her swelling goes down in the morning & this afternoon her face seems even more swollen, not just her lower jaw. But, she seems to have gained a little weight back, not an extreme amount, but some. I don’t know what else to do.

    • Teresa February 17, 2016 at 5:55 pm #

      Contact a vet. If the kid is old enough to wean or if you can put it on a bottle that would help her a lot too. It’s possible the worms are resisant to the drugs you are using. It’s best to test.

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